This post was written by Alison Green and published on Ask a Manager.
It’s four answers to four questions. Here we go…
1. Candidate asked for feedback on his interview — after I’d hired him
I interviewed someone today (two interview rounds). I decided to offer him the job a few hours later and he verbally accepted on the phone. He then called me back right away with a couple of clarifying details and a slight negotiation on pay — no problem, I can understand being mildly flustered in the moment and wanting to call back to make the request rather than just leaving it. I said I’d need to see if the increase was possible and I’d come back to him tomorrow.
He then texted me very quickly after that and asked for feedback on his interviews today. Isn’t that a bit weird? I’ve heard of requesting feedback while waiting to hear if you’re being moved to the next stage, or after a rejection to see how you could improve. But why would you want feedback when you’ve already been offered a job? It’s not like the offer was insultingly low or anything, just on the lower end of his requested salary range.
Possibly relevant is he is very young, this would only be his second job out of high school. Have you come across this before? Do you have any insight?
Yeah, it’s because he’s inexperienced and just doesn’t know the norms around this stuff yet. He’s probably heard you can ask for feedback after an interview, not realizing that that typically means after you’re rejected. If you’re hired, that is the feedback, for most people!
My take would be different if he had asked a more nuanced question like, “Based on our conversations so far, do you have thoughts on where the biggest challenges are likely to be for me and how I can prepare for those?” But it sounds more general than that.
To be clear, I don’t think it’s weird that he wants feedback. Most people would find it interesting to hear an employer’s post-offer analysis of their strengths and weaknesses in the interview! He just doesn’t have the experience yet to realize it’s not typically asked.
Related:
can I ask my new manager why she hired me?
2. When your mom was a scandal back in the day
I (F, 57) am a volunteer at a local secular nonprofit and was chatting with another volunteer (F, 60+) the other day. I was trying to recover from hearing some bad news and she tried to comfort me by saying that God would take care of me. To fend off the unwanted religion talk, I blurted out that that doesn’t make me feel better, because my late mother was kicked out of her church after someone tricked her into making a big mistake and her life fell apart. I wish I hadn’t said anything, because it turns out one of my friend’s few relatives in our country lives in my hometown and goes to the same church my mother did.
I don’t know what to do if she gossips with her relative and finds out that my mother was the reason their handsome young pastor needed to transfer to another county back in the day. He seduced her, claimed they had a secret engagement, and denied any such plans when she fell pregnant and refused to get a back-alley abortion. Of course, his version was that she was a temptress who wanted to ruin his reputation, and of course the patriarchy believed his version over hers. He got a new start and went on to a nice career, while my mother got the shame of our whole town without resources to relocate. It happened over 50 years ago, but if it was a sufficiently juicy story in a small town, people may still gossip about it. I know there was still gossip when I was in school because my mother couldn’t even go to my school concerts without people pointing and whispering.
I don’t need a negative story sticking to me decades after I thought I had escaped it by moving to another part of the country. I don’t know if I have the guts to lie and say it’s false too, or what people will think if they find out I lied to cover up an embarrassing story. I don’t want to be our local version of George Santos. But I don’t want to have to move out of the area to get away from the shame — I have rent control and moving is awful anyway. What options do you recommend?
I think it’s highly unlikely that this will be a subject of gossip 50+ years after the fact! Social norms have changed a lot in that time. If someone gossips about you because they believe your mom was a temptress half a century ago … well, that person is being really, really weird, and anyone they try to gossip to about it is likely to find them really weird as well. It’s unlikely that anyone will think negatively of you because of this.
But if someone asks you about it, my advice is: own it. “Yep, my mom was seduced by a man who abandoned her when she got pregnant and then the whole town shamed her for it but not him. Isn’t that horrible? Thank god the world has changed.”
3. I’m being pressured to take a promotion I don’t want
I have worked with my current company for about 15 years, and anticipate retiring from this company when the time comes. I very much love what I do and who I work with and often get asked to assist other teams with special projects, so my work is never repetitive or dull.
I have been promoted multiple times, and on each occasion I have been asked if I would rather manage the team I was leaving. My answer has always been no, as I was working towards a specific goal and have no interest in managing.
I am now in a role I love, but have reached the top of the ladder career-wise unless I become a manager or director (neither of which I want). I was offered the opportunity to manage my current team and said no. My company then hired a manager I love working with, but they will be retiring soon and I have been asked by a very senior person to “seriously consider” taking over at that time.
This will be the fifth time I have been asked to manage in my career, and I feel like saying no this time may damage my reputation with senior leaders and other departments that I work with regularly. Others in my area would love to be considered, so I feel awkward that I truly do not want to do this.
Logically, I can see that I am a good fit, due to my background, experience in other roles, exposure to project work, and relationships with other areas. My team also treats me as their de facto leader if our manager is out. But I just don’t want to manage.
What do I do? Do I just go ahead and take the promotion, even though I know others want it and I don’t? I have no desire to harm my future prospects in the event I change my mind one day, but I secretly wish my current manager would just stay another 10 years.
I feel this sounds like a six-year-old saying they don’t want to eat vegetables, even though it’s good for them, and I feel stupid even asking this question. What normal person does not want a promotion, after all? Please be kind … I realize I sound like a bragging idiot, and that I am incredibly lucky to have this as a problem … but I have honestly cried about this. I just want to continue to do my current job and do it to the best of my ability. How do I get out of managing without harming my reputation?
You don’t sound like you’re bragging or like a whining child! It’s completely normal and okay not to want to manage, and you don’t need to do it just because people want you to. I mean, if everyone else wanted you to, I don’t know, sell real estate or become a voiceover artist and you didn’t want to, would you feel bad about declining? There’s a weird thing in our culture where it’s assumed everyone wants to move up and up, but a lot of people don’t … and even more of them specifically don’t want to be managers.
Having had past managers who clearly didn’t want to be doing the job — and in one case who had protested against having to — I can tell you that people who manage under duress end up doing their teams (and their employers) no favors. If you don’t want to do the work, you won’t approach it as well as your team deserves. But even if you’d be phenomenal, you do not need to take a job you don’t want. Period.
It’s fine to tell your employer and anyone else who’s pressuring you, “I appreciate the offer, but I’ve given it a lot of thought and I am confident I don’t want to move into management.”
4. Can we be required to use FMLA if we get Covid?
My employer has recently sent a “reminder” that now that the Covid emergency has officially been declared over in the U.S., normal sick time rules apply for Covid and anybody who will be out more than three days has to file an FMLA application, regardless of whether or not they have the paid sick time to cover it. So, that’s anybody who gets Covid who isn’t lucky enough to have two of their required minimum five isolation days fall on a weekend. This is strange, right?
I’ve been looking for information about when your employer can require you to take FMLA and all I’ve been able to find is that you can be required to take it after you file the application, nothing about whether you can be forced to request it for an absence of a week or less when you have the sick time. It seems like the lack of information suggests that this isn’t a thing people normally have to worry about being forced on them. What are the possible ramifications of being forced to take FMLA time, possibly repeatedly, for common illnesses where it’s totally within the averages to be out of commission for about a week?
In general: Your employer can indeed require that you use FMLA when you’re out sick, even if you don’t want to, although it’s not the norm to do it for routine absences of a few days. It’s a pretty anti-employee move, because it means that if at some point you need to take a longer leave of the sort that FMLA is normally used for, you’ll have already used up some of your FMLA allotment for that year. (You get 12 weeks of FMLA-protected leave per year.)
Specifically for your situation: The part of FMLA that would be relevant here is the part for “serious health conditions” (as opposed to caring for a new baby or the other circumstances where you can use it). The law defines “serious health condition” as “requiring continuing treatment by a health care provider” or “a period of incapacity of more than three consecutive, full calendar days with follow-up treatment.” If you have a mild or asymptomatic case of Covid and aren’t seeking treatment, would it even qualify for FMLA? I’d guess no, but you’d need a lawyer to tell you for sure (and they don’t seem to know for sure either).