goldjadeocean mentioned in a comment at that post: It was awkward to set up because we had to both assume that we were going to want to meet up every week.That.
Something I've been trying to figure out for some years now is how to bring the negotiation of what I'm going to call, for want of a better term, "relational contact frequency", into explicitness.
What I mean by "relational contact frequency" is how often two (or I suppose more, but maybe let's constrain ourselves to two-body problems for simplicity) people get together or otherwise deliberately put themselves into contact for the purpose of socializing with each other.
rmc28 gave an example of the range of contact frequencies: I have convention/conference friends (you know, the ones I see once every year or two and enjoy their company and then fail to keep in touch with until the next time); I have internet friends who I exchange comments with daily or at least weekly; I have local friends in different contexts: school gate, politics, geekery, work etc; I have extended family who I like very much but see rarely.Thing is, the contact frequency of a relationship isn't entirely determined by outside forces. The con friend one sees yearly one could, theoretically, call on the phone, friend on FB, friend on LJ, visit personally. Someone on my flist literally moved to another state to be closer to where a big bunch of her online friends friends lived, so that she could socialize in person with them.
And likewise, with a local social contact, one might have a friendship that involves getting together multiple times a week, and another that involves getting together once a month or so, and another that involves getting together once every few months.
Within the logistical constraints of any given potential relationship, there's a range of possible contact frequencies.
(Let's ignore for the sake of simplicity, that relationships also have various contact modalities – in person, phone calls, texting, email, social networking, etc. – and the frequencies of contact can be different for different modalities. Let's just discuss frequency of contact as if it were a single thing, because I think it doesn't actually make a difference to the issues that follow.)
And with two people involved, there can be two quite different ideas of just what the frequency of contact of the relationship between them should be.
So what establishes the rate of contact that they have? Well it's generally not having a grown-up conversation about the matter and coming to a mutually agreeable arrangement, because there is absolutely no polite way of explicitly negotiating the contact frequency of a relationship. Or if there is, I haven't found it for months of applying myself to the question.
In Western culture (and possibly others?) relational contact frequency is conflated with the degree of "closeness" between two parties. How often you spend time with someone – and how long you spend – is taken to signify the extent of the relationship: the degree of emotional intimacy, the degree of commitment, the degree of esteem and affection.
This shows up in various ways we discuss relationships. For instance, when someone has a friendship with a high degree of affiliative closeness and trust for self-disclosure, but really infrequent contact, this is remarkable enough to be insisted upon: "When we get together, it may have been four years, but it's like we never parted." For another example, when describe a dyad as "inseparable", we're saying something about the closeness of those two people.
It's baked into our culture to assume that contact frequency is the measure of a relationship; consequently, to tell someone "I don't want to see you as frequently as you want to see me" is tantamount to saying, "I don't like you that much" and "I don't want to be (so) committed to you" and "I don't want to share myself with you or have you share yourself with me (so much)."
Thus it is a rejection, because of how our society has assigned this meaning to the contact frequency. It should be a mere matter of disappointment – "alas, this person I like who likes me doesn't want to spend more time with me" – but carries a semiotic freight that turns it into rejection – "I am not adequate in this person's judgment."
Or put another way, our culture admits of no polite way to say "I think you suck", and because wanting a lower contact frequency has the symbolic meaning of "I think you suck", there's no polite way to say that. It's entirely taboo.
So two people can't just have a reasonable conversation and work it out between them. Instead, what's supposed to happen is that each person unilaterally decides what they want, and the party that wants less contact just refuses the other's overtures with polite excuses, leaving the other to puzzle out, "Does this mean they don't want this specific contact? Or they don't want me? Is this supposed to signal something? WHAT?"
I keep running into this, myself. One of the things I've been thinking about since reading (1500 comments of) the Great Metafilter EmotionalLabor!Win thread of 2015, is, of course, the role of emotional labor in my life and the emotional labor I do in my relationships. And it's really come into focus for me how limited my capacity for emotional labor is in any given relationship. I manage to start out with some handicaps of pure availability – from introversion to having to hustle to earn a living to not great physical energy levels – and then attempt to (1) have an extremely high emotional-labor (and more specifically affective labor) career and (2) maintain an absolutely huge group of friends. So no surprise, the slices of my social pie are very, very, very, very thin.
I keep having this experience:
Friend: Let's get together!
Me: Yes!
*get together*
Friend: That was great!
Me: Yes!
Friend: Let's do that more!
Me: No!
But I don't actually say "no", because to do that is uncouth. There is no way to say, "I love you and I don't want to see you any more than I already do, so could we keep it the same?" "I love you and I would like to see you less" is entirely beyond the pale.
Because actually coming out and saying "I want a lower contact frequency than you propose" is taboo, the only way to negotiate the contact frequency of a relationship is through implications encoded in initiating/accepting/rejecting behaviors that are fully intended to be ambiguous, so there's plausible deniability, and so that nobody ever comes out and says (or does the equivalent of saying) "I think you suck."
This is awful. It is a complete and utter set-up to fail, and a perfect generator of anxiety.
0) Two people are likely going to have two different ideas of what would be an agreeable contact frequency for them to have between them. Conflict in this is highly probably. This is not some sort of edge case, it's the norm.
1) The person with the desire for the higher frequency of contact – let's call her Eager Edith – initiates contacts more frequently than the person with the desire for the lower frequency – let's call her Busy Betty. Busy Betty finds her availability for contact completely sufficed, and more than sufficed, by all the contacts initiated by Eager Edith, so Busy Betty stops initiating. From her perspective, her friend, Edith, is "always" initiating contact; Betty has no opportunity or occasion to initiate contact, because her friend, Edith, does it so frequently – more frequently, than Betty can comfortably handle.
Then Eager Edith notices she's doing all the initiating. This is one of those ambiguous signals that the other party isn't actually into you. Eager Edith thinks, "Oh god, does Busy Betty think I suck?"
At this point Eager Edith examines the rate of acceptances of proposals for contact. If they are reasonably often – if the frequency preferred by the lower-frequency-preferring party (Betty) isn't too much lower – the higher-frequency preferring party (Edith) may be reassured that the other person isn't trying to indirectly signal "I think you suck."
But if a large percentage (for a wholly personally defined quantity of "a large percentage") of initiations are rebuffed, Edith may, reasonably, conclude, "Betty thinks I suck."
1a) Edith may then withdraw in the face of rejection: stop initiating contact. Ideally what should happen then is that Betty starts initiating to bring the rate of contact up from zero to Betty's preferred frequency.
But, horribly, if the pattern has gone on long enough, Busy Betty may have gotten conditioned to expect Edith to always be the one to initiate. By the time Betty notices "Hey, I haven't heard from Edith in ages" and thinks to initiate, Edith may be done with her. At the very least, Edith may have had her heart slightly (or a lot) broken, and taken a beating to her sense of self-worth and lovability.
1a) Meanwhile, though it may have taken her a while to notice, Busy Betty just suddenly got dropped by her friend Edith. An abrupt cessation of contact is one of those "I think you suck" signals. When Betty gets around to noticing she's not being contacted any more, she may be suddenly stricken with the thought that maybe Edith thinks Betty sucks. (And maybe she does! After all, Edith got from Betty a signal she understood to mean as "I think you suck", and "well, I think you suck, too!" is a time-honored reply to that.)
1b) When Edith notices that Betty never initiates contact with her, she may also resent that she's doing all the emotional labor of initiating in her relationship with Betty. From her perspective, this is pretty unfair: Betty never initiates; Betty never takes the risk of having a contact rebuffed; Betty isn't troubling to think of Edith when Edith isn't there, or at least isn't troubling to show it.
2) The person with the desire for the higher frequency typically attempts to escalate the frequency of contact to get it where they want it. After all, when Eager Edith when asked her therapist and wrote to advice columnists about what she should do to parley the unsatisfactory relationships she had into closer ones, initiating contact more is the unanimous answer she got. This is the standard advice for how to move a relationship to greater closeness. Escalating the frequency of contact is the socially prescribed behavior for someone who wants more out of the relationship.
And since, by definition, the party with the preference for more contact than the other is the one who wants more frequent contact than they're getting, Eager Edith is merely doing what our society says she should do, to be a proper self-asserting individualistic Westerner, and "make friends".
This directly leads into the situation in #1 above: Eager Edith responds to her disappointment in not seeing Busy Betty more by trying to see her more, flooding Busy Betty's availability such that Betty never initiates, and Edith eventually notices and, hurt, stops initiating. If, after Eager Edith drops contact to zero and busy Betty starts initiating, Edith is willing to rejoin/reinvest in the relationship, she is (my experience indicates) highly likely to interpret the contact initiations of Betty as a confirmation, "No, I don't think you suck."
Which would be great if that was all she took it as. "Yay! Betty doesn't think I suck!"
Ideally Edith would then take her cues for the frequency of contact from Betty. Instead, she is likely to jump directly from "Yay! Betty doesn't think I suck!" to "That means everything was fine before after all... and *phew* I can resume right where we left off!"
It's like a lot of people believe the only two interpretations possible are "I think you suck" and "everything is fine". In the former case, the appropriate response is to crawl under a rock, eat worms, and die. In the latter case, one concludes one was being silly and insecure for thinking there was anything wrong, and clearly one was making something out of nothing, and can completely ignore what one thought was a signal.
So Edith starts right back in again. Whether she resumes at a earlier (lower) rate of contact initiation and escalates, or whether she resumes at exactly the same rate of contact she was at when she stopped (and further escalates!), she returns to the same pattern that lead Betty not to initiate contact at all.
Repeat ad infinitum. Or at least indefinitely.
This results in a bursty, sawtooth relationship pattern of contact. The higher-frequency preferring partner winds up oscillating between "they like me" and "they don't like me". This is, to say the least, rough on them.
3) Meanwhile, Busy Betty, the lower-frequency preferring party, if she really doesn't think Edith sucks, is in this awful situation of knowing that Edith is getting hurt, but having literally no other socially acceptable way of communicating her wants for the relationship, except in this way which results in Edith's suffering.
Because nobody wants to see someone they like hurt, Betty may be inclined to go along with a higher frequency of contact than she prefers – or can afford or sustain. She can then find herself getting resentful at being put in the rock/hard-place position of having to refuse initiations in a way that will send Edith crashing, or suck up her own measure of suffering.
3a) Worse, what is going on inside Busy Betty is invisible to Edith. It's not like Betty can talk about it to Edith. That, right there, puts a strain on the relationship. Here is something emotionally important about their relationship that Betty can't disclose to Edith.
The effect of that kind of secret on Betty is to incline her that much more, whether a little or a lot, to feeling that Edith doesn't know what's going on with her, doesn't understand her, isn't someone she can talk to.
Which, let us note, is the the exact opposite of what Edith wants. If you asked Edith, "Would you like Betty to confide more in you and feel like she could tell you anything?" Edith would respond, "YES! That's exactly what I want, to be closer to Betty!"
3b) Worse still, Busy Betty may resent that Eager Edith doesn't appreciate the value of the time Betty manages to break free for spending with Edith, and doesn't appreciate the sacrifices Betty is making to spend time with her. At the very moment that Eager Edith is feeling disappointed that Busy Betty doesn't spend more time with her, Busy Betty is feeling unappreciated, in that Edith doesn't perceive what a testament it is to Betty's affection for her that Betty has moved heaven and earth to spend what time with her she does.
3c) If Eager Edith figures out any of the above, it's a short walk over the cliff of "OH GOD THIS JUST PROVES IT I AM TOO MUCH FOR OTHER PEOPLE I AM TOO NEEDY TOO DEMANDING MY EMOTIONAL NEEDS ARE AN UNFILLABLE BLACK HOLE I AM AN UNLOVABLE MONSTER AN EMOTIONAL VAMPIRE WHY AM I THIS AWFUL WAY."
3c1) If Edith then responds to feeling that way by turning to Betty and presenting Betty with the emotional wound and asking/demanding Betty reassure her that she is not, in fact, "too much", there isn't much chance for that to work out well for their relationship. If she attempts to get that reassurance by radically increasing the rate of contact with Betty, to essentially covertly get all the contact she wants, as a symbolic reassurance Betty likes her as much as she wishes, that will probably test the relationship to destruction. Or go someplace very, very unfortunate.
4) It is entirely possible – even probable – for the reasons one party wants/needs a lower frequency of contact to be things entirely other than how warmly the lower-frequency preferring party regards the higher. It can have nothing to do with how close Busy Betty wants to be – or thinks of herself as being – to Eager Edith, how committed Betty feels they are to the other, how much she welcomes self-disclosure from Edith or wants to self-disclose to Edith, or any other dimension of emotional closeness.
It can be something like, "I'm caring for my mother who has Alzheimer's", or "I have MDD", or "I just got my dream job at a startup", or "Grad school", or "very busy social life", or "I want to be there for my kids while they're young", or "Rehearsals". As
cvirtue observes: There are several people with whom I'd like to be better friends, but I don't presently have the carrying capacity. The *reason* I (and some section of the population) don't have the capacity is due to someone else's critical need, so unless someone is an extant friend, (and in a need to know pool) that reason is going to be completely invisible.Quite aside from whether Betty wants to self-disclose why she has limited capacity ("Mom's throwing up hourly" may be both TMI and not her secret to share), some of these are socially acceptable reasons to decline social contact, and some are not. "I'd love to see you more, but dad has cancer": everyone understands (or can be expected to). "I have a whole lot of friends and I'm trying to make time for all of them, so you're going to get one thin slice of my time-pie": a lot less acceptable. "I like you, but the amount I like you means I want to see you no more than about once a month": not really acceptable.
This is, of course, why people come up with excuses why they can't socialize – "so, sorry, that's the night I have to floss the cat" – rather than say "socializing with you is nice, but not as high a priority to me as socializing with my other friends". The whole point of excuses is to maintain to the other party (what is sometimes the fiction) that "I would totally socialize with you more, because I want to but I am prevented from doing so by this thing that is outside my control, or of severe importance." Saying anything to the gist of "I just don't want to see you as frequently as you want to see me" trips the "You think I suck" circuit.
This is why when you turn down a formal invitation, the expression is "to send your regrets", i.e. your regrets that you cannot attend. Because the only decorous expression is that you wish you could attend, but cannot, so regret you cannot.
5) Unless by some fortune Edith and Betty find a mutually agreeable frequency and Edith doesn't attempt to escalate it, this whole mess guarantees that both parties are constantly insecure for a long, long time, if not forever.
Poor Edith is constantly seesawing between "I'm getting positive signals, Betty likes me and wants to see more of me" and "I'm getting negative signals, oh god Betty thinks I suck." Poor Betty is trying to delicately handle the signals she's sending Edith, so Betty doesn't actually signal "I think you suck", but still manages to deter Edith from so much contact. Betty can feel like she's walking on eggshells.
Because the system is based on plausibly deniable ambiguous signals, nobody is entirely sure where they stand vis a vis the other – not unless or until the relationship settles down for a good long time at some frequency of contact, without changing.
5a) The exhaustion of the walking-on-eggshells thing, itself, can be exhausting emotional labor that reduces the availability of the lower-contact preferring party. "It would be great to have a modest chat with Edith," Betty thinks, "But if I take one phone call, she'll be calling me twenty times this week, eh, it's just not worth the stress."
This whole mess is terrible. It's like one giant set up for hurt feelings and disappointment. And, as an aside, as terrible as it is for everyone, it's especially brutal on people with autism.
Also, as an aside, all the above also applies to sexual/romantic relationships, as well as "platonic" friendships. It doesn't work out any better in that domain, either.
And I didn't even go into the scenarios of "What if Betty actually does think Edith sucks?" or "What if Betty's reactions to Edith are made extra erratic because Betty's feelings about Edith are fluctuating?" To say nothing of "What happens when more people are involved." This is like the simplest example of the dynamic, almost to the point of a spherical chicken; but no complexity will make it easier for either Betty or Edith to figure out where they stand in the relationship. Further elaborations will only make it harder for them to send and interpret these already maddeningly vague signals.
I don't have a solution. I think in some cases there isn't a solution possible: when two people want things that directly conflict, at least one of them is going to be disappointed, maybe both of them.
Though I, myself, find myself these days more in the Betty role, I've certainly been Edith, too. And I certainly don't think the solution is "just" for Edith to suck it up that Betty doesn't want as much contact with Edith as Edith wants. Though that may be what it takes to be friends with Betty. A hat tip to David Schnarch, a sex therapist, who pointed out in his books that, in romantic-sexual couples, the partner who wants the least sex regulates the amount of sex the couple has; the same dynamic necessarily plays out with contact frequency, where the partner who wants the least regulates the amount of contact the friendship has. Alas, his solution, which involves the couple using words to talk about how much sex they have, is, ironically, acceptable for frequency of sex in an intimate relationship, but taboo for frequency of contact in a friendship.
I do think that it would be a boon to humanity if there were a way of asserting what one desires in terms of contact frequency, that didn't trigger the "I think you suck" circuit (aka Rejection), such that one could get out in advance of conflicts. Once one is in a situation of "I don't like how things are and want them to change", any discussion of wants is going to be even more fraught. Being able to say "what I would like is" before getting to that point would probably prevent a lot of hurt feelings.
Or to put it all another way: I feel like friendship (and friendship parts of other sorts of relationships more broadly) is stuck in Guess Culture, and I think it would be really great to have the option of conducting friendship in Ask Culture.
I'm sending this out with no little trepidation, because I can HEAR friends of mine reading this thinking, "AUGH SIDEREA THINKS I'M A TERRIBLE NUDGE WHO CONTACTS HER TOO FREQUENTLY. I SHOULD NEVER CONTACT HER AGAIN. WHERE ARE THOSE WORMS." Dear friends: please don't change your behavior on account of this, unless you're on the short list of people I've explicitly broached to topic of changing your behavior in this way. (Or, you know, if you've come up with a way you want to try talking about this!) Please do not panic.
Even talking about this is like sticking a fork in a light-socket, I know. I'd like to ask you to be extra careful in the comments. If you find yourself having a strong emotional reaction to this, please, as best you can, in commenting, try to manage your own anxiety and insecurity, rather than speaking right from them.
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