(Warning; long post)
[1] hizamaruu said: "lol any person that complains about what a girl is wearing in an mmo are just butthurt insecure people because they dont look as good as the person they play >.> grow up so what if they look better than you or so what if youre attracted to it but stay in the closet about it cuz youre embarrased get over it and play your game or dont play it its that simple quit bitching publicly over something so little as armor on a fictional piece of polygons kthx"
Tica’s Reply:
This is so wrong on so many levels, my friend. Let’s break this down; you say that any person that complains about what women wear in mmos are “butthurt” and “insecure” because we don’t look “as good as them”, correct? First of, do you have any proof? Have anyone ever said "I don’t like this character because they look better than me"? And how is that logical, especially in mmos? Normally, when you customize your character, you create someone you want to be, find appealing and etcetera. When female characters are made, they are rarely ever made with a female audience in mind; they’re made to be eye-candy, a sex object, for heterosexual, horny men. We do not find that attractive. We find it offensive. We feel objectified because there was no other thought to her other than “make her sexy”; because psh, who needs an actual unique design, right? (answer: Everyone! Females are humans too! *gasp*) There’s literally nothing to be jealous over, because we DON’T want to be these characters. We feel uncomfortable being portrayed like that. And this is what saddens us. There is nothing we feel comfortable with; but of course, once we express our opinion about this, we come off as “bitching”, which is something you clearly need to think over.Also, when you tell us to get over it or don’t play it, you are basically saying that you like it and won’t listen to reason. I’m up for a conversation here, where we can discuss, not blatantly ignore what others have to say or think. You’re allowed to have an opinion, but do not try to stop anyone from telling theirs.
[2] Anonymous said: “like heroes would wear bulletproof vests in action movies or something… same thing”
Tica’s Reply:
No, it is not the same thing. In the past it was seen as easier to draw their uniforms more form fitting. There’s also this thing about flexibility and the ability to hide the suit under the clothes; and this goes for both men and women. Besides, technically there are heroes with bulletproof vests, see the Batsuit, for example. Besides, no bulletproof vests =/= sexulization.
[3] Anonymous said: “A beautful woman does not need clothes or armors… haha”
Tica’s Reply:
Actually, they do, unless you’re willing to sacrifice logic, reason, story, setting and treating both genders as equal.
It probably would be a bit thought-provoking if I said “A beautiful man does not need clothes or armors”, wouldn’t it? Especially when you see men run around naked… all the time.
You can be beautiful, strong, sexy, and everything in between with clothes on and a proper armor. There are some amazing examples out there, and many of us are hoping to see more of that. Who doesn’t love to actually see a design that describes the character or setting? A design someone actually thought trough, instead of just slapping on a bikini. Character designers are limiting themselves by doing this; when there’s billion of different ways to create a character.
And yes, I am aware of that there are some people, female and male, that do enjoy having their character running around naked/half naked, maybe because they feel more powerful that way or they like the outfit as fetish-wear or sexual-roleplay, and that is alright. As long as it’s equal, and treated with care and respect.
[4] Mika said: “May I say this to you all,they said on mmo news that 80 or 85 % that play mmos game are mostly guys so you womans better not be taking us down about this CAUSE THEY ARE MORE OF US THEN YOU IN ALL MMO GAMES.”
Tica’s Reply:
Just, allow me to laugh at this for a moment.
Okay, okay. First of all, I want to tell you something. About 49% of all gamers are female. That means about half of ALL gamers. Are. Female. And the numbers are growing. As for MMO’s only, the numbers are 40% female gamers (this number is increasing quickly as well). Edit: Besides, there are some mmo’s that have more female players, such as LOTRO, for example.
And really. “You women better not be taking us down”? Really? Really? Because last time I checked, you’re not being personally offended every time you even mention that you’re a gamer, or being looked on weirdly when you look at “boy games” aka games where you’re supposed to be a warrior/soldier/fighter etc. Because we, girls, we are “fake geeks” looking for attention. When we get upset or passionate about a game we’re being “bitchy” and “overly emotional”. But when guys rants about something game-related, or are very excited about it, why yes, that’s expected of them. They can complain about the men being overly muscular - but at the same time, there’s so much body variation when it comes to male characters. They can be skinny, sick-looking, fat, old…. Majority of females in games, however, pretty much only have different cup-sizes and height, and, if you’re lucky you might be able to choose between “cute” or “sexy”.
So, it’s either “fake geeks” or we’re seen as rare exotic animals. A girl playing a GAME?! We don’t want any special attention just because we happen to have vaginas. No, really. It makes no sense. The whole “games are for men” is complete and utter nonsense. Why on earth would entertainment be for men only? Do you still live in the 50’s?
"Sigh. I want to play too."
"Just smile and stare, honey, maybe they’ll stop thinking you’re a fake gamer eventually."
Games are entertaining. Humans like to entertain themselves. Believe it or not, but women are human too! *gasp*
Also, on a last note, think this way; you’re a girl. You really like games, right? You’ve been playing tons of board games as a child, and perhaps some facebook games. Now, you want to try something bigger, something more real. Look things up, and look confused as you search around. Why do all the game ads look like porn for straight men? You ARE looking at the SAFE games, right? But it seems like there aren’t any games that interest you, since half naked ladies showing their ass and tits isn’t really your thing. You want a game you feel comfortable with - but the ads make you uncomfortable. You stay away from them. For a LONG time. The urge to game eventually grows back on you. You then go to friends and ask them if they know any good games that you might be interested in. However, some of them say you can’t play because you’re a girl. The games are too violent for a petite little creature like you. You huff at the ignorant, stupid comment. However, there are more that says that, which leaves you confused. Some even say girls have no talent in gaming. The guys don’t take you seriously and you have no girl friends that understands either. Once again you stay away from the games. For a long time more.
Time goes by and you meet a friend who finally suggests you a game. He tells you it’s the most badass thing with great visuals and amazing characters. You try it out, and is very hopeful. As soon as you pick to play a girl, your happiness grows into another confusion and disappointment. Why on earth is she in her underwear? Wait, she’s going to fight in this? Why is her boobs bouncing everytime she moves an inch? You sigh, thinking, maybe it gets better. Maybe the personality is better? Nope. Her personality is nothing but “sexy” - which tells you nothing, because she’s not even sexy personality-wise. Why? It’s just that there’s nothing more that defines her. No development. The character has no character. You walk around in the game, trying to find other good female characters, at least. They look the same. Act the same. You sigh, try desperately to enjoy the game, but you’re distracted by the offensive view on female. Even their walking stance is ridiculous. Standing next to a male character, you feel this sadness and anger flush over you. His posture is one of pride, his outfit is badass, his personality and story is thought through So are basically every other male character in the game. You? You’re just sexy.
You go back to your friend and rant about the sexism, but he doesn’t understand your problem. You’re just overreacting. He thinks they’re hot, so that’s why it’s no problem. It’s harmless. When you mention “What if all guys were represented the same way” he gets angry at you and states that all men are muscular and sometimes shirtless. It’s not the same thing, you think, besides, you saw all from fat to skinny male characters, still represented strong-minded/looking. They being shirtless had nothing with them being sexy - just t show off their abs that symbolizes POWER - something both men and women likes to feel.
There has to be some game out there, that isn’t for 3 year olds, where the women aren’t objectified and hyper-sexualized. But alas, even the sci-fi chick-robots have cameltoes and double D’s for boobs. Even in the realistic games you are forced an unrealistic cleavage, unrealistic tight-sitting ass-showing “loose” pants, with unrealistic proportions, unrealistic face and unrealistic breasts. Aw, screw this. You’re playing as a dude instead. You have no choice.
So, during the gameplay - when people eventually find out you’re a girl, you get different, equally offensive reactions. Some try to hit on you, in a not-so-flattering matter. “I’m sorry,” you say, “but I’m here to play a game.” Rejecting these guys only ends up with them calling you an “ugly fat bitch who doesn’t do anything than to play games all day”. Which makes you wonder, since these guys haven’t gone offline for at least 24 hours. Some guys instantly throws insults at you everytime you do a mistake in the games, simply because you have that damned vagina of yours. Did a perfect headshot in the game? It was just luck, duh. Discussing games? Stop bragging about “knowing stuff” about games, you attention-whore. You mention you’re a gamer that happens to be a girl? Faker.
You grow tired. It’s all too frustrating. You eventually give up.
So tell me, who’s taking WHO down?
[5] Mewanna said: “That depends on the game. Some MMOs now have more girls playing them than guys even. Overall there are more women online playing games than men, but that’s just all game types not MMOs. Why do some games have more women than men and others don’t? Well this stupid crap they do with armor is one thing that keeps us away from certain games. And it’s not right to say “We can pick on you and make you feel uncomfortable because you’re the minority.” That’s what bigots do. But if you’d rather have guys running around playing fake women than real women in your games, well enjoy your sausage fest. And guys who want to fight to keep this stuff in games really need to get out and try to date a real girl rather than spend all that time with their own hands.”
[6] another Anonymous said (reply to Mewanna): “like the comment below tries to tell, so you want the girls be covered in fur over and over? i dont think so, you have to admit that women like to play good looking characters in games too”
[7] Anonymous (the “comment below”) said :”stop crying bitches, you want the women to be covered in pelt like a bear? hell i dont think even you prude ugly cunts want that so live with it”
Tica’s Reply:
For your information, I’d love to have my characters walk around in fur. Really, it can look all from badass to adorable. Fur just makes things look cool, design-wise. (also fur is logical when it’s cold weather)
And yes, it’s not unusual, in fact it’s very common, for girls to play characters they find good-looking. However, you’re confusing all this with the Male Gaze. It’s not the same thing. And fyi, we also want to play women that look human, badass, rough and anything inbetween too. (That includes cute and sexy, but not ONLY cute and sexy.) Because we want variety, too. Like every other human being, the human mind has different opinions when it comes what one finds beautiful and/or interesting.
Also, calling us “bitches”, “ugly” “prudes” “cunts” (see what I mean with what I wrote before?) and telling us to “stop crying” doesn’t make your point any stronger. Just saying. It’s all just words that are completely unneeded and will just start wars. All kind of flaming will, in fact, that includes the whole “fake women, real women” deal and telling who should date who for whatever reason. Keep calm, my friends, and we can discuss this and actually come somewhere with it.
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