We recently sat down with Jasmine Sandler, a digital marketing strategist and LinkedIn expert who has been a part of the social media marketing revolution since it’s early stages. The interview gave us the opportunity to gain insight on social media marketing, why LinkedIn is the best tool for B2B lead generation, and how content marketing is evolving.
1. What is your professional background?
At this point, I call myself a digital marketing veteran. I’ve been involved in web marketing since 1995, and even started, owned and sold a social network before the term existed! I also spent seven years as a Sales and Solution Manager for IBM. Basically, I’ve been in digital marketing for a long time, and it’s very exciting to witness how social media has grown.
Most of my work is a blend; it’s a holistic approach that entails digital marketing and B2B sales. I talk a lot about social selling and social sales, but really it’s a mix between social media, digital marketing, lead generation and content marketing. These strategies support all of the points of creating a long-term business relationship.
Currently, my focus is really on helping more mid and enterprise-level B2B companies understand how to overcome their marketing challenges. I actually just got off the phone with a client who said to me, “If you can show me how to use social media to drive leads – I’ll be the happiest person!” I’m always up for that kind of challenge. I’ve been consulting for a while and I also run an agency to help plan and execute social media strategies for companies. My focus since 2009 has primarily been on providing internal client team training and education. I consult clients on how to use their resources in the right way, and train them on implementing digital marketing strategies.
2. What attracted you to social media? How did you get started in the field?
About a decade ago, in 2004, I started to see social sites popping up. I have a background in business, and when I did my MBA, I studied consumer behavior. It was then that I noticed this grand opportunity to capture the attention of individual consumers using the Internet. Back then, I already knew that I wanted to start an enthusiast type of community. As a huge sports fan, that’s where I started – connecting sports enthusiasts and delivering promotions within this community.
If you think about any successful blog or publishing site today, that’s essentially what I was doing back then for the sports industry. My attraction to it revolved around two things. The first is how to leverage the web to drive community engagement, and the second – given my background is business, is how to monetize engagement online.
After I sold the social network I developed, I began to get more into direct-respond work, and became certified on all levels of research marketing and online media. Eventually, in 2006, I shifted all of my focus to social media. I was consulting a large search marketing agency, and saw an opportunity out there for companies to use more grassroots tactics on the web. This motivated me to start my own marketing agency, with a focus not only on social media – but on all around PR. I usually draw a pie chart for people to explain that online PR supports social media and SEO, as well as traditional PR and marketing.
Social media has become much more of a force today than it has ever been. I find that most of my work with business owners and C-Level executives highlights how to use digital marketing to drive sales and showing individual executives how to become spokespeople for the entire company. LinkedIn is really the tool that makes this happen. I’ve been on LinkedIn, driving leads to my own company, since 2005. LinkedIn, for me, is the best B2B social network to drive leads. The way I use it, and what I tell my clients, is that it’s not only a personal branding tool, but also a great means for B2B sales to build up a brand of thought leadership, and implement it effectively. With LinkedIn, you can drive an audience, and have excellent opportunities to gain visibility and leads. I give lots of training courses on social selling and specifically on using LinkedIn in this type of context.
3. Name your top 3 strategies for B2B lead generation.
Given that most of my work lies in SEO, that would definitely be my top strategy. I think SEO is hugely important for driving leads. When you embark on an SEO program, the first thing is to decide what you really want to be known for, and then build a keyword program based on broad and narrow-based keywords.
The second is utilizing social media, such as LinkedIn and Google+. LinkedIn is my top choice for B2B lead generation, but I have to say that Google+ has become a really strong force, especially since it’s so well connected to other Google applications. It’s a great channel for delivering rich content and connecting to YouTube, which I also think is effective for increasing visibility and B2B leads. Social media marketing is all about building you audience, and when I create a B2B social media strategy, my channel selection is definitely going to include LinkedIn, Google+ and YouTube. Twitter isn’t nearly as direct as LinkedIn for driving leads, although it’s good for driving thought leadership and gaining attention for your brand.
The third strategy is paid advertising – basically PPC. Whether it’s Google AdWords, or LinkedIn’s advertising platforms, it’s important to spend a few dollars there. You should constantly test your campaigns, focus on a specific vertical and keep it localized.
4. Has content marketing has reached its peak? Where do you think it’s headed?
Without a doubt, I don’t think content marketing is going anywhere. I think in the future it will get more sophisticated and mature, and we’ll start seeing more and more automation tools that support content marketing as a practice. We’ll also see more companies supporting the practice of content marketing being funded. Companies today have been developing guidelines for social media, and I think the same thing will happen with content marketing; it will become a standard practice, and parameters and guidelines will be put into place. There will be less guesswork around content planning, and businesses will most likely implement specific, more targeted content marketing programs.
5. What is the best approach for using content marketing to generate leads?
My approach is to first uncover where clients have experience and understanding, and also identify which verticals they want to own. I always develop a very structured approach, and find out how the company is positioned, its market share, industry focus – and what opportunities it’s missing. Content marketing is strongly tied to selecting themes and topics that a company can support in terms of thought leadership.
Once a company defines its expertise, the next step depends on what content resources will be needed, and budget limitations. If a B2B has a budget to deploy more advanced content marketing, such as professional videos, infographics and motion graphics, then it’s best to plan for that. The bottom line is that any content you generate needs to be consistent – it should support a specific author and vertical, and needs to be distributed online – especially socially, in a targeted manner.
6. What are your thoughts on LinkedIn’s shift towards content marketing?
I love the idea, and I have recently become a publisher on LinkedIn. The reason behind this shift is that LinkedIn is embracing content as a way to support relationship development. When I train people to use the platform, one of the habits I try to instil is to make LinkedIn part of their daily routine. My strongest recommendation is to follow influencers in your industry and read what they are saying, join the right Discussion Groups, and find the right opportunities to comment and engage. Publishing content on LinkedIn is another strategy that B2Bs can use to support relationship building and drive more engagement for their brand.
7. What is the number one mistake that people make when trying to gain business on LinkedIn?
For sales professionals, I think the main issue is that they don’t keep current, or really play an active role on the network. For example, always update your profile, include new projects you’re working on and list your current place of work. Keep your profile picture up to date, and add multimedia if possible.
Another mistake is not getting involved in Discussion Groups. Most members are not proactive, and they often join Groups just for the sake of joining. If you actively participate in Groups by engaging with others and leave helpful comments, you can drive visibility and generate leads for your brand.
8. What is the one key metric that B2B marketers should follow?
Qualified leads. Marketing is not solely about marketing – it’s about helping close deals. B2B marketing teams need to measure their impact on sales, and it’s surprising that CEOs and sales teams often overlook this. Many of them don’t know how many leads their marketing efforts generate on a monthly basis. If I couldn’t leverage marketing strategies to generate qualified leads, my clients would fire me! Marketing requires a lot of work, and you need a team and budget to succeed – but at the end of the day, it’s definitely worth the investment.
9. Do you feel B2B marketing increasingly resembles B2C marketing, or are they still very distinct?
One of my clients develops great marketing programs that are very personalized, mostly by hitting target audiences with the right messages. In this context, I think that much of what is done in B2C marketing can have a huge impact on B2B marketing. There are lots of great opportunities for personalization, and one of the services I offer is helping executives become thought leaders and educators, to assist them with nurturing relationships with prospects on a personal level.